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159th Public Forum => General Discussion => : 159th_pappavis January 20, 2018, 01:53:44 PM

: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_pappavis January 20, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
I wanna suggest. Lets drop Teamspeak in favor of Discord.

159th discord server --> https://discord.gg/mcAwWEw

Its got Teamspeak features PLUS;
 - OFFLINE messagaging.
 - NO INSTALL requied. Runs in the browser.
 - Complete chat history.
 - Ability to share files in chat.
 - Private channels.
 - Voice-only channels.
 - Voice & text channels.
 - Once-of invites.
 - No hosting required -- thus always available, in case of 159th server disaster.

Disadvantages;
 - SimpleRadio for DCS not supported.
 - Cannot host local own server.

(https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/assets_c/2017/05/Discord%20screenshot%2017-thumb-450xauto-315859.jpg)
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: Mako January 20, 2018, 02:00:26 PM

Tbh I agree - I’ve used discord before and was wondering why we hadn’t made the transition already.  Maybe we should have a test session then a vote?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 20, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
To give Papps his credit he has been pushing Discord for ages -but as no-one else had said 'ooh yes we must do this' I hadn't much looked at it.

Seeing as there are 2 trusted people now supporting it I would 100% like it looked at.

I will give it a look over this weekend, if other squaddies could proffer their opinions -if they have any- please do so.

Thx Papps for originally raising this.  8)
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_pappavis January 22, 2018, 06:30:10 PM
The 159th has been using teamspeak for like, 12 years now.
Isnt it time to move on with the times.

Discord is a leap forward.
I was reluctant at first. Its a cross between ole' IRC-chat + skype + teamspeak.

Its only gonna work if every1 joins Discord. Archer was granted sysadmin rights.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 22, 2018, 06:51:01 PM
Papps -we need to prove it will do everything that we need first.

It looks simpler that TS at first look -but still I couldn't get a PTT set up that worked -if we can get past that and any other possible hurdles, we can take it on.

Perhaps best if we can get 3 or 4 of us on it and study it -unless anyone out there knows it well enough to advise us?

BTW we would need it to be accessable for non-squad use when people are on our dedi -we would need a link where people can just click on and get on to use -does Discord allow that?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Axman January 22, 2018, 08:52:41 PM
Maybe Papps can post up an easy set up guide for users. Including key binds for channels and PTT. It would certainly help those who have little to no experience with the software.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: kunz January 24, 2018, 11:46:48 AM
The only problem with Discord is it doesn't offer Whispers or whisper lists, but since you guys rarely use whispers, discord is fine.

@Arch, there is a PTT function. On the left-hand side, look for Voice and Video, in that there is a PTT setting which allows you to press a key to activate it.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 24, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
The only problem with Discord is it doesn't offer Whispers or whisper lists, but since you guys rarely use whispers, discord is fine.

@Arch, there is a PTT function. On the left-hand side, look for Voice and Video, in that there is a PTT setting which allows you to press a key to activate it.

Hi Kunz -yeah I did spot that, but when I was on with Papps, I couldn't get it to 'work' in that Papps couldn't hear me (and vice-versa). Unlike TS you don't appear to have any indication when you're 'active', and with TS there were tools to adjust things which Disc doesn't appear to have?

As it stands, I am not against it at all -but haven't as yet seen that it works easily.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 24, 2018, 11:56:29 AM
I just clicked on Papps link, and find nothing there. Does this mean that any particular server will only work when the 'owner' is on it?

What the squad will need is a 24/7 open server as per TS.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_ShallowG January 26, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
ok I've registered ad set up - seems pretty straight forward.
At least it sees my push to talk button directly .. so a big plus to start with
No doubt will have to tweak some once I start talking ...
nice video facility too.
looking good so far.
I'm using the app interface not the browser.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 27, 2018, 09:08:06 AM
Can you give me a quick run through on what you did SG please? Papps tried to get me set-up, but we stalled at one point when I couldn't get a PTT to work and got no further.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_pappavis January 28, 2018, 11:14:55 AM
Can you give me a quick run through on what you did SG please? Papps tried to get me set-up, but we stalled at one point

I've got a problem with  my mic. Its not working. Windows 10 has an issue with too many USB devices connected, which seems to be thge problem.Thats partially why PTT didnt work.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_pappavis January 28, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Maybe Papps can post up an easy set up guide for users. Including key binds for channels and PTT. It would certainly help those who have little to no experience with the software.

To add key shortcuts;
1. Lefthand below, click on your user, select the cogweel settings,
2. Below Discord Nitro, in Settings, choose Keybord shortcuts.
3. Choose action Push to talk, and set your keycombo.

https://support.discordapp.com/hc/nl/articles/217083547-Hoe-voeg-ik-verschillende-keybinds-toe- (https://support.discordapp.com/hc/nl/articles/217083547-Hoe-voeg-ik-verschillende-keybinds-toe-)
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Axman January 28, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
Great advice there, please continue to share other useful snippets of information.

Ta,
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 28, 2018, 10:15:13 PM
We must try and get together and work out if discord will do what we need. If we can get a day and time when as many as possible can attend, that would be handy -perhaps realistically next Sat or Sun before the flight?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Viper January 31, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
We must try and get together and work out if discord will do what we need. If we can get a day and time when as many as possible can attend, that would be handy -perhaps realistically next Sat or Sun before the flight?

I would sincerely appreciate it if we could come to some type of a decision on or before 15 February 2018 as that is about the time I have to renew the TS subscription. It is currently on a 6-month payment cycle so if we know one way or another before then I can either cancel in due time or renew.

Ta

G
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer January 31, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
As it stands I can do either/both days.

Could do with getting this either in/out.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Viper February 17, 2018, 02:51:14 PM
Any further info on this? Renew TS or move to Discord?

I have until Sunday to know whether to renew or not.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer February 17, 2018, 03:18:54 PM
Shoot - I was hoping we'd have got together and had a meeting to work on this. I am out later tonight but can have a look early evening if anyone is about?

I can spare time Sunday AM also if that works.

I haven't got to grips with it fully and was depending upon anyone who knows it well enough -anyone here familiar with discord?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_JasAce February 18, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
I use Discord more than anything else and its free lol. It is just like teamspeak as you can set up individual channels for voice chat or text. You can even assign roles to members that will restrict what channels the member can access. Make your profile pic and even link your other accounts to it like your steam acc. Discord has more to offer than ts3 hands down and the audio quality is great just takes a min to get used to it. Also the discord app makes it really easy for us to keep in touch without having to be at your pc. You can use the voice chat or text in any channel from your phone...even post pics, sounds or files of any type but must be under a certain size lol....I dont work for discord i just like to use it haha.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer February 18, 2018, 01:51:48 PM
I was hoping to have had a go at getting on top of this discord but we haven't got round to it with a number of us in attendance. I had a look at it with Papps but I wasn't able to assign a working PTT button for whatever reason -oh the option was clearly there but I could not get a response when I allocated one I am afraid.

I am sure it would work if we worked at it, but in the absence of evidence that it will work easily and reliably I can't swing behind it yet.

Unfortunately, Viper has to renew our TS today -so we either 'risk' it and cancel that (I am sure we can restart it easily enough?) or just stick with our TS until we are sure Didcord does everything we need.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_JasAce February 19, 2018, 02:46:32 PM
Would love to help you test discord anytime as i belive it will allow the group to keep in touch on the fly (app on phone). I could even setup a discord channel for our group and have people slowly start to use it. This would allow me to ask pilots if they would like to fly if i get off early or have some free time. This way people dont have to sit on ts3 and wait for someone to join but I want to make sure this app/program does what you need it to. Not trying to push the issue lol I just want to help the team and im sure this will.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer February 19, 2018, 03:28:41 PM
OK JasAce that would help -we'll try and get 3 or 4 of us together and run through what it does against what we need.

When is best for you generally; Weekends?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_pappavis February 19, 2018, 04:37:41 PM
I dont work for discord i just like to use it haha.

check our discord server --> https://discord.gg/mcAwWEw
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_JasAce February 21, 2018, 09:04:49 PM
Discord vs TeamSpeak, which is the best voice chat tool to use when gaming with your friends?

TeamSpeak is a tried and trusted veteran in the voice chat scene being around since 2001. Discord is the new kid on the block that has only been around since 2015. I’ve used them both extensively for a long time, and they are both powerful pieces of software. I’m going to pit them both against each other and give you my recommendation.

Key differences

There are some fundamental differences between the two applications. It is important you understand them to help you decide which one is right for you.
Server Hosting

TeamSpeak requires you to connect to a Server to work. The idea is everyone connects to the same server (which will usually be in the format of server-hostname.com:1234) and can then talk to each other. If you’re planning to use TeamSpeak you will need to either find an existing server or host your own one. Reliable TeamSpeak hosting isn’t free though, so keep that in mind.

Discord deals with the servers itself. You just make a new “Server” on the app, which is free and handled completely by the company. This does mean that you will not be able to host your own Discord servers. Everything will go through the company’s servers and if that’s a dealbreaker you might be better off with TeamSpeak. For most normal gamers like myself though, this won’t be a big deal. However, if you’re in a Country that blocks Discord for example, then TeamSpeak is your only choice.

Downloading Software

TeamSpeak requires you to download a client on your computer or mobile phone.

Discord also has software you can download but you can also use their web app which works without downloading anything. That said, I’ve personally noticed substantial issues with the web app such as low voice quality and lag. Thus, I recommend you download the desktop client.

The Criteria

It is now time to go over how they fare against each other based on a few criteria that I personally find important for a gaming voice chat application.

Discord vs TeamSpeak: Voice Quality

Voice quality is arguably the most important aspect of a voice chat tool. I have lost many a game not understanding what my teammate just said, and while that might sometimes be because of a bad mic, the software can play a part.

Discord

Discord has fantastic voice quality for every call I joined. Since the servers are hosted by Discord themselves, low audio quality will only ever occur if your internet connection is poor.

TeamSpeak

TeamSpeak has always impressed when it comes to voice quality. As long as you connect to a good server, you won’t ever experience bad voice quality. The key here is a good server. Connecting to a server run on your friend’s computer or some free servers available online can cause you a lot of headache.

But overall, as long as you pick a good server, you will never experience bad voice quality unless the internet connection of the person is poor. I have preferred it to Dolby Axon and Skype in the past.

 

Winner: Discord

When compared between the two (using the default Server bitrate settings), the quality is pretty much on-par. I would give the slight edge to TeamSpeak, but I could be hallucinating.

What I am not hallucinating about though, is that the audio quality does not depend on what server you pick with Discord, while it can when using TeamSpeak. This definitely makes Discord the winner.

Discord vs TeamSpeak: Features

This may sound like a generic criterion, so let me elaborate. Features are basically everything the application can do. This includes settings, permissioning, integration with other applications etc.

Discord

Features are where Discord shines. TeamSpeak and Discord are both voice chat applications. But if you look at the bigger picture, Discord is also a community platform. I have joined countless servers that are focused on a certain topic or community, without even using their voice channels! Discord is fully functional text chat application and makes for a great tool to hang out with other like minded individuals. TeamSpeak does have text chat as well, but it’s obvious the focus is the voice chat capabilities. Discord servers also have no real hard limit on how many users can join, truly making it a community platform.

In terms of permissioning and settings, they are powerful but just a tad worse than TeamSpeak. When Discord first came out, it was missing a lot of important features. That has all changed now as loads of new features were added, and I have no doubt they will keep up their pace until they fully bridge the gap.

The feature I liked the most though is integration with other applications. Discord connects with all the major gaming tools and websites, like Twitch, YouTube, etc. With integration comes cool features, like sub only benefits for discord users. I won’t go over all of them here, but needless to say that once I saw the power of this feature, I couldn’t unsee it!

TeamSpeak

As a power user, TeamSpeak has almost everything. You can control pretty much every aspect of the application, both server side and client side. The settings are verbose, and it can get intimidating. But I didn’t find a single feature that I needed missing.

TeamSpeak for a long time was the only application that did permissioning right. It has fine grained details of everything a person can and cannot do. While it could take you a long time to set up based on your requirements, it will be worth it.

There is no integration with other applications, though. This was never really an issue for me until Discord came into the picture. Now, I find it hard to live without! They say the unseen blade is the deadliest, but I didn’t know Discord was a blade.

Winner: Discord

TeamSpeak doesn’t really have many advantages to Discord bar some obscure settings. These advantages are dwindling as well as Discords adds even more features to their already feature rich application.

Discord wins simply because it is a true community application and has some epic integration with other websites we gamers like, like Twitch.

Discord vs TeamSpeak: Resource Usage

Sadly, many of us gamers are doomed to a life of using our toaster to play video games. Toasters? Yes, frickin’ toasters! Running Windows 98! I am of course talking about old computers with outdated hardware and a plethora of random applications running in the background clogging up your resources.

Crap computers are a fact of life for some, thus making it important to see whether Discord or TeamSpeak is lighter on your device.

Discord

For the longest time, my brother refused to move to Discord because it made his games lag. During that time I tried to get him to keep trying, hoping a newer update will fix the problem. Sadly, that wasn’t the case, and he didn’t move to Discord until he actually bought a new PC.

Now mind you his computer was ancient, and I have no idea what sort of atrocities he had running in the background. I have seen Discord run fine on many old-ish devices without a hiccup, so I won’t go as far as to say that Discord is a resource hog.

TeamSpeak

Zero. That’s how many times running TeamSpeak on an old computer has been a problem for me or my gaming comrades. The software is old, but it has also aged well. It has never slowed any of our games down, nor has it slowed itself down. Your mileage may vary, but this is my opinion. And I highly recommend you try both applications out to see if this is a dealbreaker for you as well.

Winner: TeamSpeak

In terms of resource usage, both applications tout that they are not resource heavy. I have found that to be true for the most part except for the one time with my brother’s old laptop. This is reason enough for me to give this crown to TeamSpeak.

That said, be aware that your mileage may vary. I couldn’t find any hard proof that TeamSpeak is really using less resources than Discord, even when checking the usages of both applications on my own system.

Discord vs TeamSpeak: Ease of use

We are gamers. We may also be tech savvy, but that isn’t always the case. Historically, gamers have tinkered loads with tech stuff (running your own Minecraft server with port forwarding for example). But every second we waste tinkering is a second we could have used to wreck some noobs. Discord vs Teamspeak, which one lets you spend less time being tech support and more time fragging? Let’s find out.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_JasAce February 21, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
 Really easy to use and lets us talk on the fly pc or phone...hell use them both at the same time lol. If you need help with discord I can help you out over teamspeak, there is no reason not to use discord unless yoir afraid of change lmao.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer February 21, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
JasAce -great pros/cons arguement above -thanks very much for that.

After a quick read through it appears that the key to TS/Discord is the fact that we've has a TS 'home' for years and everyone knows where to go to join in. I realise that Disord works differently and probably 'joins' people together as they come on line?

To my ignorant mind I think the 'home' dedi server is better -although if people convince me otherwise then great.

Discord being free is mightily handy!
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Axman November 23, 2018, 07:12:01 PM
Are you guys using TS or Discord at present?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer November 24, 2018, 08:26:18 AM
Are you guys using TS or Discord at present?

We use wet string. Failing that -if it's a dry spell- we revert to TS. Discord gets used only when we have to use it.

There doen't appear to be an easy way of using Discord like our always there TS channel -unless we have it running on the dedi itself as host for a channel.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: Fusion November 25, 2018, 12:25:03 PM
Forgot to remind peeps to check out SRS.

It’s need a server side install as well as the client, but allows the use of in-game radio freqs.

Add to the immersion as the further away you are from each other the worse the quality gets (I’m lead to understand anyway - not used it a huge amount myself yet).
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Axman November 26, 2018, 05:51:11 AM
Aye Fusion, I’ve only heard good things about SRS.
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: 159th_Archer November 26, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
Need to have a look at this -is it simple to install etc?
: Re: Teamspeak vs Discord
: Fusion November 29, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
Easy enough for the client side of things.

I think there's instructions for the server side as well.

Just google SRS radio and go to the main thread on ED's forum, it's all there in one place, which is helpful...